A question for René

ImageIf I do not think, am I not?

One love,

HJ

 

 

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About H3nry J3kyll
Vincit omnia veritas (using an obscure Latin heraldry motto makes one seem kinda learned and distinguished).

10 Responses to A question for René

  1. Not sure this is quoted properly (you seem to be the Latin scholar) but, well, I always come back to Ambrose Bierce …

    “Cogito cogito, cogito ergo sum.” So … what if we don’t even think we’re thinking? – Linda

    • H3nry J3kyll says:

      Interesting question Linda.

      The Western tradition dating all the way back to Descartes is largely uninformed about the states of meditation where thought ceases. Our entire culture is based on solely placing value on the alert, problem-solver mindset. (We do cherish drunken stupidity however)

      It seems like Mr Bierce’s “I think that I think, therefore I think that I am” is still based on defining existence by a recognition of the primacy or the thinking process. This is based on flawed Cartesian reasoning that thought is the fundamental criteria for defining being.

      In deep states of meditative practice there are no thoughts, yet one does not cease to be. I’m relatively new to meditation, few years new anyway, but there exists a higher state of awareness than the confused and muddled realm of thinking. I will say that learning to “still the mind” is a very challenging process but presents profound benefits related to physical and mental well-being. For starters, you learn to dispose of negative emotions and stress like dust in the wind.

      As far as a Latin scholar, with Google Translate we are all instant Latin scholars. lol

  2. dimvisionary says:

    Both men fail to operationally define some of the terms they use, such as “I” and “think” and “am”, as far as I can tell. Yeah, the Cartesian see saw seems to be stuck. Haha.

    Might as well be: I’m in the phonebook, therefore I am. Equally ambiguous.

    Great post! Cheers!

    • H3nry J3kyll says:

      Somehow this conundrum we call language always seems to come back to haunt us. lol

      • dimvisionary says:

        That’s it! The conundrum of language! Exactly!

        It struck me the other day, what’s the oldest spell we all learn? “A – B – C – D ….” In America, its a song that we sing to our children…

        “Next time won’t you sing with me.”

        No amount of subdued snickering would equal my delight in this topic. Language is magick.

    • H3nry J3kyll says:

      Thanks for the compliment!

  3. I think a biggest problem with the Enlightenment was that it excluded women. According to my reckoning, allowing males to dominate it has set us back at least 500 years.

    • H3nry J3kyll says:

      That’s a good point regarding the Enlightenment excluding women Doc. I think the exclusion of women was an unavoidable consequence of the Enlightenment having occurred in largely Christian nations. Patriarchal domination is a fundamental tenet of the Judeo Christian world view. This pre-dates the Enlightenment by 3000 years.

      In Genesis 3:13 the god of the Jews makes women experience pains in childbirth and be ruled by their husbands as punishment for causing the “fall” of man. This idea of suppression of the feminine would remain axiomatic to Christianity until challenged by the principles of illuminism which began to take hold in 18th Century France.
      Islam, Christianity, Judaism, the three religions based on the book of Genesis all preserve this patriarchal wretchedness. Tribal matriarchal cultures around the globe would be exterminated, imprisoned on reservation, and conquered by men with swords in one hand and Bibles and Korans in the other.

      I think male domination is so firmly inter-woven with our cultural narrative that it continues to retard the advancement of society. I don’t think many men would face termination as in the recent case of the NY Times publisher who dared question gender based pay differences.
      Television, music videos, just about any where you look, the objectification of women by forceful, assertive males remains a central premise of our modern narrative.

      Always good to hear from you Dr B.

  4. tubularsock says:

    Now let Tubularsock get this straight. If Tubularsock falls in the forest and no one hears Tubularsock fall has he fallen?

    In the “thinking” state, no because “thinking” is thinking”.

    In the meditative state, no because there is no “there” there.

    In the projective reality state, yes because Tubularsock “feels” the fall.

    Now none of this makes any difference because Tubularsock wouldn’t go to a forest in the first place.

    Yet if he “thought” he was in a forest would he be there?

    No, because thoughts are thoughts.

    If he meditated himself into a forest could he be there?

    No, because the meditative state has no “place”.

    In the projective reality state, no because Tubularsock wouldn’t project himself into a forest in the first place.

    So ……….. “If I do not think, am I not?

    It is obvious that Tubularsock thinks too much, therefore he is excessively am.

    • H3nry J3kyll says:

      I get the feeling that that the underground bunker’s special ability to exist outside the fabric of space and time affords Tubularsock certain insights denied the average consumer of Swanson Hungry Man dinners.

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